norobespierre:
montagnarde1793:
citoyenrebelle:
norobespierre:
I bet he would love to blindfold you, tie you to a bed, and make you recite the rights of man
mm baby
I was just gonna say “that’s not what incorruptible even means, sighs” and then I saw this.
I hate everything.
I felt like pointing that out, but then I assumed that people do know that’s not what incorruptible means and were just messing around. Which I probably shouldn’t. I tend to forget how little people understand Robespierre and the Revolution.
As for the commentary… It’s fucked up how sexy = bondage now in the collective imagination. On the other hand, I think this is coming from the same person who talked about blue poop in the Robespierre tag recently. I’d like to believe that means they’re not representative of any larger tendancy, but I’ve unfortunately been wrong about such things before.
Why do you think it’s “fucked up” that some people find bondage sexy? Or perhaps more importantly, why do you think this is a recent invention and not one that can be found in pornography dating back several hundred years? And how does making a joke in response to a dirty historical confession make someone hate everything?
All important questions, since people seem to be taking jokes and silly comments super seriously.
To clarify: it’s the extremely prevalent idea in contemporary culture that bondage is shorthand for sexy and that tries to force this incredibly narrow idea of sexuality onto everyone - and the imho, incredibly regressive ideas about embracing unequal power dynamics that it encourages - that I find fucked up, not what any given person happens to enjoy. I’m not sure why people seem to think that jokes are separate from the general culture and/or are unable to understand why people might be upset about something they see as representative of a larger societal problem, but whatever. And for the record, I don’t even have a problem with the original post. I actually think it’s made funnier (whether intentionally or not), by the fact that that’s not what incorruptible means.
But I’m sorry, was that too serious for you? Was I getting in the way of your silly fun times? For my part, I was under the impression that humor on a given topic had to have some relevance to that topic to be funny. But you sure proved me wrong: there’s nothing that can’t be made better with a poop joke!
Drapeau du bataillon des Champs-Élysées de la garde nationale parisienne (1790) : “Liberté - Fidélité”.
mapmonger:
Princeton University Digital Library. Two pages from Louis Bretez, Plan de Paris : commencé de l’année 1734 (1739) Engraver: Michel-Etienne Turgot, 1690-1751.
“Bird’s-eye view of Paris (walled) and surrounding faubourgs. Oriented with north toward the lower left. Originally printed on 20 sheets. Includes text in cartouche.
Drapeau du bataillon des Capucins de Saint-Louis, Chaussée d’Antin, de la garde nationale parisienne (1790) : “Liberté, loyauté, fidélité, sûreté”.
“[…] on ne lit de ces récits atroces que dans les fastes des tyrans couronnés, ou de ceux qui, vivant dans les forêts, y subsistent, comme les premiers, du fruit des vols et des assassinats. Il y a cette différence, que les rois des grands chemins ont, de tout temps, expiré sur des gibets, et que ceux des villes étoient considérés comme des dieux.”
– Louise Kéralio Robert, Les crimes des reines de France, p. 12.
Drapeau du bataillon de la Jussienne de la garde nationale parisienne (1790). L’intitulé (de Gallica) dit que la devise de ce bataillon est “Courageux - prudent - libre”, mais moi je lis “Courageux - libre - prudent”. Que vous en semble-t-il ?
Drapeau du bataillon de l’Oratoire de la garde nationale parisienne (1790) : “Amour des peuples, force des rois”.
The African French diaspora in 19th Century France
barbreyryswells:
Being a member of the Les Mis fandom, I’ve encountered a startling amount of sentiment that there were no people of color in nineteenth century France, that it’s unrealistic to racebend or headcanon characters as people of color and that they can only be written as such in modern alternate universe fic. Don’t get me wrong; I’m all for historical veracity and become slightly miffed at colorblind attempts to integrate people of color without considering the racial implications of their involvement in the narrative, but the idea that they didn’t exist in historical Europe is bullshit. People of color are part of the world and have always been part of it, and attempts to ignore that do not come from historical accuracy, but Eurocentrism, erasure, and a flagrant absenceof research.
So what people of color existed in nineteenth century France then? I’ve researched historical minority communities and am posting about them in parts, one post per community. This post will focus on the African French diaspora. It is part one of
a series on ethnic minorities in nineteenth century France. This does
not include the African American diaspora and African American immigration to France or North African and Moorish communities already settled in France and the French Mediterranean, which will be the subjects of separate posts.
Below the cut are facts relevant to the African French community, which ideally will assist fandom in producing art, fan fiction, and meta incorporative of people of color.
CW for slavery, racial violence, and racial slurs
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Thank you. This really needed to be said.
Tiny nitpick, though, less about Les misérables per se than a detail of your exposé concerning the Revolutionary period: Julien Raimond did work to some extent with the Société des Amis des Noirs, as he needed all the allies he could find against Barnave and the Club Massiac, but he mostly worked with the club he founded himself, the Société des citoyens de couleur (Society of citizens of color), which is often ignored in favor of the Société des Amis des Noirs, whose program was not as revolutionary as people (for a number of historical reasons) are often led to believe (it essentially involved abolishing the no longer economically sustainable slave trade and then, rather than abolishing slavery outright, essentially converting actual slaves into wage slaves over a period of 80 years or so).
In other words, nothing you said was inaccurate, but I never like to miss an opportunity to point out that the Amis des Noirs were a) not particularly good “friends” despite the name and b) that there were other groups defending slaves and “citizens of color” (as they called themselves). (It should be noted that the Citoyens de couleur, like Raimond, evolved towards advocating the abolition of slavery over the course of the Revolution, after starting out just defending a return to the status quo ante from before the segregationists started creating intermediary statutes between slave and free based on color/ancestry. An evolution which they had time to make, because they didn’t disappear half so rapidly as the Amis des Noirs. For those who can read French and are interested in learning more on this point, I highly recommend Florence Gauthier’s L’aristocratie de l’épiderme (2007).)
Drapeau du bataillon de Bonne-Nouvelle de la garde nationale parisienne (1790) : “Union, Force, Liberté”.
Drapeau du bataillon des Théatins de la garde nationale parisienne (1790) : “District des Théatins”.
Décompte final :
1 Adélaïde, 2 Agnès, 2 Aliénors, 3 Annes, 1 Béatrice, 2 Blanches, 1 Charlotte, 1 Clémence, 2 Constances, 2 Élisabeths, 1 Ingeborg/Ingeburge/Isambour, 1 Isabeau, 6 Isabelles, 7 Jeannes, 1 Mahaut (qui ne compte vraiment pas, puisqu’elle n’était “que” comtesse, mais il y a aussi des duchesses de Bourgogne qu’il faut connaître, alors…), 5 Marguerites, 5 Maries, 1 Mathilde, 1 Philippa, 1 Richenza.
montagnarde1793:
rebeccation a dit : Courage ! C’est mon époque à moi, mais pas mon terrain. (Euh, c’était où la Bourgogne médiévale ? Chuis plutôt de l’autre côté des Pyrénées, moi.) Pauvres Jeannes et Annes et Marguerites ! Allez, c’est bientôt fini…
Merci….
A vrai dire, je ne connais pas très bien le Moyen Âge, même français - tout au moins pas aussi bien que je devrais le connaître. Objectivement, je peux voir l’intérêt d’étudier la figure de la reine au Moyen Âge, mais pour ma part j’ai du mal à me passionner pour toutes ces histoires dynastiques et pour une politique qui n’est justement qu’une affaire de famille. (Je caricature un peu, évidemment ; même au Moyen Âge la politique n’était pas que ça. Mais disons que ça change un peu de la Révolution française….)
De toute façon merci de tes encouragements !
Drapeau du bataillon des Mathurins de la garde nationale parisienne (1790) : “Liberté”.
rebeccation a dit : Courage ! C’est mon époque à moi, mais pas mon terrain. (Euh, c’était où la Bourgogne médiévale ? Chuis plutôt de l’autre côté des Pyrénées, moi.) Pauvres Jeannes et Annes et Marguerites ! Allez, c’est bientôt fini…
Merci. On parle un peu de l’Espagne aussi - notamment de Marie de Castille (ce qui ne sert qu’à me confondre encore plus, vu qu’elle était reine d’Aragon). Quant à la Bourgogne, il paraît qu’elle comprenait à un certain moment en plus de la Bourgogne actuelle… la Franche-Comté, le comté de Luxembourg, certaines villes en Picardie, le comté de Boulogne, le comté d’Artois, le comté de Flandre, le comté de Hainaut, le duché de Brabant, le duché de Gueldre, la Zélande, la Hollande, la Frise et le Vermandois.
